We give some general criteria, when κ-complete forcing preserves largeness properties-like κ-presaturation of normal ideals on λ (even when they concentrate on small cofinalities). Then we quite accurately obtain the consistency strength "NS λ is ℵ 1 -preserving". for λ > ℵ 2.

We discuss the problem of finding forcing posets which introduce closed unbounded subsets to a given stationary set.